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podcast from the archives this is part

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two of the round table originally aired

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last year with gary verges kevin day and

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including could the pilots and radar

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have misidentified the craft

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sort of power it would have so that's an

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out what 10 months later after this

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episode we look at threat and intent and

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why did they allow themselves to be seen

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over thank you very much and i've

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pages worth of questions some of the

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thank you very much um uh and folks uh

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some of the names or twitter names and

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whatnot i'm just gonna go through and

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first question can the guys discuss the

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navy's cec radar and how it's impossible

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superior capabilities have these craft

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invention of radar they've never

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commander favor and i'll use the word

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engaged that might be wrong at one of

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these craft and as he commented he came

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down towards it and it came up towards

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him why didn't this thing just shoot off

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reason if you know i got into a fight

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with a kid you know if i got into an

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hurt him you know i wouldn't even you

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know i would just do everything i could

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to avoid them because of how much damage

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i could do to that child you know i mean

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you know actually malevolent or they're

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not if they are non-hostile that would

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explain why they don't do anything to us

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if it's our technology and it's our

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people that would also explain why they

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didn't do anything so you know it bodes

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that definitely is staying in the philos

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philosophical realm because i don't

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listeners has mentioned the uap task

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force will apparently have more power

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digging in and making real progress

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stuff they don't have access to it's

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i know a secret you don't you don't need

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to know the secret that i know so i'm

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you know it's

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i may have a top secret clearance but

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every top secret item in the government

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the uap task force is given

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a top secret clearance for access to top

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secret information

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know everything you know say

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a cruiser

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i'm just going to use the princeton

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seize this again

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that uap task force isn't gonna know the

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the princeton saw the objects again

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process

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and the government and military is too

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big of a bureaucracy to get all that

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stuff to uh

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join you without gotti

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yeah the only thing i'd really add to

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that is the simple fact that i mean just

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go to a simple foia request unless you

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specifically ask exactly

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in the right exact words and terminology

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for what you want from them

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they'll give you [\h__\h] back

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unless they know the exact questions to

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ask they may never get the right

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information

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uh wonderlasters wanted to know what

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level of disclosure or admission would

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it take for for these events to make it

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wow that's a freaking awesome question

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um i think

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out there and we record these things and

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some really smart people stand up and

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say this is what i saw and here's my

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proof

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i don't think there will be any option

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at that point it'll have to be

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acknowledged

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that's the whole point of our mission i

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think you're failing that then under the

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scientific you know side of things

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aren't you that this is this is science

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that is science fact here's the data

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here's the experiments we've done and

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here's the results off the back of it so

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it's irrefutable proof then yeah

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yep exactly and uh

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in overdue to tell us what we saw you

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know that's the whole idea we're gonna

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gather all this data and then give it to

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some other really smart people to tell

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us what we just saw

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yeah and we'll make the school books so

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we'll make the history books

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and i think that deep down on the side i

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think

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it will it is going to change it end up

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changing the world

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i really do

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i think for some of us it has changed

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the world and even for guys like you

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it's affected your life so so yeah i

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think we're starting to see that kind of

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the cracks appearing in a really good

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way um gary the next question was for

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you um how certain are you that the

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object you saw through the big eyes were

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the ones being tracked on radar and did

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um i'm 100 certain that the objects that

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i saw were uh as far as out we were and

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that the

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there they it could have couldn't have

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been anything else

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um

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timing was perfect

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i mean we're only talking the difference

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of minutes from the time i go from

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combat to

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up to the big guys so i mean it's not a

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whole lot of time so

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um

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not unless every single time the same

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exact object just happened to be there

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at the same elevation and bearing every

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single time i went to go look at it

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you know and granted

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even half the time we we were too far

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away from them we've so to see them half

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the time so

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uh

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know any time they did move it depends

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on the angle that we were at versus

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where they were at and which way what

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vector that they went at so if they were

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going you know

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uh you know parallel with us i could see

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them move but if they were going you

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know toward us then you know other than

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see them get a little bit brighter or or

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just disappear and that was basically

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all i could see through the big guys

350
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um it wasn't until i saw the video

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itself that i really got the the good

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eyeball full of exactly what this thing

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i've been i've been looking at through

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the big eyes really looked like so

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you know it's uh i am

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to me i'm 100 certain the things i saw

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through the big eyes were exactly what

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we were tracking

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it was it was funny though that the way

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different people would think about these

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incidents because jeremy mcgowan

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mentioned when i interviewed him that

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until he spoke to luella zondo about the

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incident that had happened years before

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in the middle of the desert in jordan

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he thought it was one object in the sky

367
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that was repeating the same cycle and

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apparently it wasn't until louise

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elizondo asked him is there any chance

370
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that these were multiple objects just

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following the same path

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that he actually had the idea that ah

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maybe these were multiple contacts i was

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seeing and i mean it could have been one

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object repeating but then again it could

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have been more so but you're quite

377
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certain that it was more than likely

378
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multiple yeah

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yeah because we we were tracking them at

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the same time um generally if it was one

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one object and it was just disappearing

382
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and then reappearing because of how

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fast it was going and basically we were

384
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just getting a hit every you know fifth

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time on them and that's why it seemed

386
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like it was just disappearing

387
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it it would

388
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we wouldn't be tracking solid objects

389
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across the board you know and being able

390
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to see the path of these objects because

391
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you remember when we first started

392
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tracking them they weren't going fast at

393
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all matter of fact they were doing the

394
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opposite of that they were only doing

395
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100 knots which is ridiculously slow for

396
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a flying object

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so i mean that in itself was just odd so

398
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i mean they were not going

399
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amazingly fast we were able to track

400
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them they were you know luckily for us

401
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very solid objects

402
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uh even after we decided that they

403
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couldn't be real and

404
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then tried to see if there was anything

405
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wrong with our systems there was nothing

406
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wrong with our systems so when we

407
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brought them all back up

408
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sure enough they were all still there

409
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so it was uh

410
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it was definitely a hundred percent a

411
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you know real solid multiple objects uh

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you know

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there's no way that

414
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i think you know i i am not

415
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i have no

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understanding of anything that would be

417
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capable of faking the tracks that we saw

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at the time in 2004

419
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i know people have brought up other

420
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systems but just looking how the systems

421
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work

422
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there's no way they could have spoofed

423
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our system even even a gigantic flock of

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really cold seagulls or birds would not

425
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even if they were hypersonic seagull

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[\h__\h] [\h__\h] rockets they wouldn't

427
00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:05,920
they wouldn't have uh

428
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they wouldn't

429
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:09,920
[\h__\h] got gotten through our system

430
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i'm just starting to believe the

431
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:13,600
hypersonic seagull theory so i'll tell

432
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you what the first time i see a [\h__\h]

433
00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:18,480
hypersonic video i'd be happy

434
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:23,350
um one of the one of the skill sets for

435
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:25,600
operation specialists is exactly what

436
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,959
you're asking about being able to

437
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correlate

438
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what we see on radar with what the the

439
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lookouts in this case gary and i saw

440
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visually with our eyeballs

441
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so you know one of my skills has been

442
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doing it for 18 years at the time and

443
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i'm absolutely 110 percent positive that

444
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what i saw on labor

445
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was exactly the object i saw through the

446
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big eyes

447
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and

448
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when i saw it was actually pretty boring

449
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:50,000
and i was disappointed went back down to

450
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combat i was disappointed

451
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:57,430
yeah some of the bystanders actually saw

452
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these things maneuver with their eyes

453
00:17:01,269 --> 00:17:00,399
some of the bridgewatch standards and

454
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stuff

455
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,519
sean cahill being one of them

456
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,600
my buddy sean cahill

457
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:07,199
yeah i spoke to sean k hell about that

458
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:09,839
back in the second year

459
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,079
not that i don't know don't love having

460
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:14,160
patrick here but i was actually really

461
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,240
looking forward to actually doing an

462
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:18,880
interview with him he's uh i've had a

463
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:20,959
couple of conversations with him

464
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:23,199
privately and other than that he's a

465
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real interesting cat i'd

466
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,199
yeah definitely somebody i want to get

467
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:29,679
to know even more than i know uh because

468
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even

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you know him as a you know on board

470
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,840
being a higher ranking either being a

471
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,440
lower rank other than running into him

472
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from time to time you don't have a whole

473
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lot of personal interaction with people

474
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with with with him like me and kevin you

475
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know other than you know i knew him i

476
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knew of him he was a you know regular

477
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watch stander so i've had conversations

478
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with him prior but he was a chief i was

479
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a junior enlisted it was not we were not

480
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the same

481
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so it's it's it's a whole different

482
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animal you know we're now when we speak

483
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to each other it's with mutual respect

484
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:02,640
but back then it's you know you're

485
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you're my junior you do what i need you

486
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,919
to do and you don't need to know

487
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,919
anything else

488
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:09,440
that's probably how i feel talking to

489
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you guys just now so yeah uh but

490
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next question i will throw out to the

491
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:17,600
floor um was chad underwood directed to

492
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,080
the tic-tac by the princeton radar or

493
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did he find it on commander fravor's

494
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i think kevin would have rethink that up

495
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uh kevin what they want to know is uh

496
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did you guide him into the area or was

497
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:35,600
he guided in by our flight control or

498
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:39,360
was uh he told to go there by fravor

499
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,440
like um

500
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,440
forever was low on fuel so he had to uh

501
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:45,520
return the base rtb back on the carrier

502
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and uh chad under was getting ready to

503
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take off um for the next flight and uh

504
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fragrance hey chad don't don't forget to

505
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take a nap flare plane so you can film

506
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this thing go find them and reportedly

507
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underwood replied by saying i'm going to

508
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go find those things dump in his

509
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,559
airplane took off and went out there and

510
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,559
found him he um

511
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:07,039
came up on charlie control our air

512
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,440
intercept control and we took control of

513
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this flight and entered and made sure he

514
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went to the right spot in the sky where

515
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he found him so basically

516
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what they're saying is that

517
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uh fravor's involvement was

518
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to the point of making sure that chad

519
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,679
had the ad clear pod on his aircraft

520
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:27,679
before he launched

521
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okay and then

522
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,640
we were the ones that guided him into

523
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that area and he then from there he

524
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:35,039
takes it from there to go look for the

525
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objects

526
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we gave him relative bearing and

527
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direction and then he goes that goes and

528
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gets the eyes on

529
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awesome that's a forward-looking

530
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,039
different radar

531
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:46,960
that actually forward looking infrared

532
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,280
radar hopefully that breaks it down a

533
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,600
little bit better for you yeah no no

534
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,679
thank you and the next question is along

535
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:55,600
the similar path but it was actually for

536
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:59,120
patrick for pj and it was asked on

537
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,640
twitter and i think he said he would

538
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,240
talk about it as much as he could when

539
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:04,159
he came on the show and so a lot of

540
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:05,600
debunkers have questioned the

541
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,880
capabilities of the flare and radar can

542
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:10,880
you talk where possible on what these

543
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:16,950
well i'm not going to talk about flear

544
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,679
because i'm not a flare guy but as far

545
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as

546
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:22,400
the radar on the hawkeye which we

547
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:25,760
tracked and i'll let gary speak on spy

548
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,200
the the way the radars work and there's

549
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,760
multiple radars in use there's a spy

550
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:33,440
there's a hawkeye radar the fighter

551
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,919
radars the nimitz radars

552
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,440
all of these radars have different

553
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,200
capabilities different

554
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,960
you know

555
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:42,240
different

556
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,840
know processors they all work

557
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,120
differently and they were all giving us

558
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,640
the same information

559
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:51,679
you know

560
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:54,320
the the way the radar on the hawkeye

561
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:57,520
particularly worked is

562
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,559
it's got

563
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:01,280
inbuilt processing it was an older radar

564
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,480
but a very modern processor

565
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,200
it's designed to look for that stuff

566
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,679
you know we used to play games with the

567
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,280
prowlers which are jamming aircraft

568
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,280
which are meant to jam aircraft

569
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:15,679
jam radar specifically and they rarely

570
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,640
were able to jam

571
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,400
the hawkeye's radar because the way the

572
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,480
radar is designed to work

573
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,760
um

574
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,400
i can't elaborate on all of them because

575
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:27,679
you know a lot of that portion is

576
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:31,440
classified but it's it's designed to not

577
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,720
get spoofed

578
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,400
you know and

579
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,960
the hawkeye radar can be spoofed if

580
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,240
you're really good and you know what

581
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,000
you're doing

582
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,799
but gary's radar you're not spoofing his

583
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,960
radar has way too many antennas way too

584
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,080
many

585
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,159
i'll let gary speak on that but you're

586
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,159
not fooling that radar you're not

587
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,559
fooling

588
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,600
that this many different radars in use

589
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,280
you know

590
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:59,120
if it was just one radar i could

591
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:00,480
understand the

592
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,360
the whole spoofing line of thought but

593
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:05,679
when you have this many radars in use i

594
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,789
gary you want to speak on spy yeah um

595
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:15,200
well let's spy i mean

596
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,400
it's not really one radar uh you gotta

597
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,600
remember each one of those hexagonal

598
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:20,960
panels you see

599
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,320
has x amount of feed horns and each one

600
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:25,919
each one of those feed horns can be

601
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,039
moved and

602
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,520
moved in any particular direction that

603
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,000
we want and we can actually track

604
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,240
multiple objects which is one panel or

605
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:35,760
all of the panels

606
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:38,880
all the panels combined together make it

607
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,919
360 degree view

608
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:44,000
we can do things like burn through which

609
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,960
is where

610
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:47,039
we crank up the power and we just

611
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,720
basically focus everything on one spot

612
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,360
and basically it overpowers another

613
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,440
another radar and

614
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:57,840
for effective purposes jams it uh but

615
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,950
keeps them from being able to use their

616
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,120
radar on us

617
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,360
and then we can also do things like uh

618
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,080
use it as a fcs controller

619
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,120
uh basically it uh we have a different

620
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,159
type of radar dish on board called uh um

621
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:18,880
it's a fire control uh it's where it's

622
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,480
when you hear when you hear like uh on

623
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,240
movies where they say uh you know light

624
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,640
up the target or paint the target what

625
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,080
they're actually talking about is using

626
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,960
rf energy and bouncing it off of a

627
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,440
specific target so that we can shoot a

628
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,120
missile at it

629
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,480
now the missile itself

630
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,159
interacts with the target because of how

631
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:42,480
much rf is bouncing off of it it's the

632
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,279
most

633
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,919
radiant rf object in the area so it hits

634
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,559
that target well we can do that with spy

635
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:50,159
we can do that with multiple objects

636
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,279
with spy

637
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,080
spy is the most was even then the most

638
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,640
powerful radar on the planet

639
00:24:04,549 --> 00:23:57,919
um

640
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,559
radars acts for actual practical use

641
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,039
and not just the uh the prototype that

642
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,120
you've seen on the internet and when you

643
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:11,200
actually dig into it their prototype is

644
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,799
very very weak

645
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,159
and uh

646
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,720
until quantum radars are in effect there

647
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:19,520
will be nothing that could spoof a spy

648
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:26,549
awesome thanks for that gary and thank

649
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,760
you pj um kevin next question was for

650
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,720
yourself

651
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,799
and there's a follow-up for gary too on

652
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,279
the back of it um and i can ask pg the

653
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,200
same if it's relevant

654
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,880
what was the most amazing thing about

655
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:40,799
the footage you've seen regarding the

656
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,149
the most amazing thing for me is the

657
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,640
fact that it still survived

658
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,799
you know that i was actually down at the

659
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:52,880
golf course um i had forgotten all about

660
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,360
this even though because i i didn't

661
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,600
relate at all um what happened to me

662
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,480
after i retired and stuff and i didn't

663
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,880
relate it back to this event

664
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,679
um as it turns out that it was the cause

665
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,039
of what some of the stuff i was going

666
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:11,269
i mean how are you going to figure

667
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,480
something like that out i mean you know

668
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,600
what i mean

669
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,960
and i had forgotten all about that post

670
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,640
my book went on in life and forgot about

671
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,919
this i was down at the golf course i

672
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,760
just reopened the kitchen and

673
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,279
i was watching the golf tournament and

674
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,039
all of a sudden cnn's on

675
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:24,880
who the hell turned out and then i saw

676
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:27,679
what was playing it was that freaking

677
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:31,120
video that i had in my email the very

678
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:32,720
within hours of this event actually

679
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,480
happening it was exact same fuzzy video

680
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,480
and i was so freaking shocked i dropped

681
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,480
the plate of fish and chips and uh

682
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,760
yelled out to my brother-in-law in the

683
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,679
pro shop hey dave i got to go home i'll

684
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,919
explain later i took off went home got

685
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:48,159
on the internet and uh robert powell had

686
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,600
already posted something he's from the

687
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,400
scientific coalition ufology i said hey

688
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,039
robert this is kevin day um we've never

689
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,880
met but you got to call me i'm the guy

690
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,240
that was sitting on the radar when this

691
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,559
happened and controlled the intercept

692
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,480
and that's when it all

693
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,720
started happening for me so for me the

694
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,880
the most amazing thing about this is the

695
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,559
fact that we're even talking about this

696
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,679
right now i

697
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,000
i never expected this to happen ever in

698
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,480
a million years i really didn't

699
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:16,880
gary you feel the same way i mean i had

700
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,269
oh god

701
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,909
well i uh i hadn't moved on i never

702
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,679
moved on um

703
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,080
i've always had my private studies about

704
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:31,440
what we saw

705
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,400
um

706
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,840
you know

707
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,159
for as much as that's ever gonna you

708
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,760
know get me but

709
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,440
i've always tried to figure out what

710
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,360
they are how they worked

711
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,200
what kind of propulsion that they use

712
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,880
what kind of you know how how it could

713
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,240
be possible

714
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,840
for those objects to have done what they

715
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,760
could do um

716
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,520
these are the questions that have

717
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,400
basically

718
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,720
made my head hurt for almost 20 years

719
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,679
now

720
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,279
so

721
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,799
yeah

722
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,120
and gary your follow-up on that one was

723
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,440
um is it possible that what gary saw in

724
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:05,679
the longer tic tac video was a different

725
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,590
uh from what i understand now

726
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,640
um but then again i'm also hearing that

727
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,000
they've had

728
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:17,840
that there is a possibility that they

729
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,120
have multiple films from multiple planes

730
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,480
that were in the air

731
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,200
um i think that he may have i think the

732
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,440
rest of the films are all gun

733
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,320
gun footage films from the gun cameras

734
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,279
and not from the at-flear pods but uh

735
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,679
what i saw was basically from what i

736
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,039
understand he was the only one with a

737
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,200
nat clear pod so it would have had to

738
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,710
but there is a possibility

739
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,120
i i didn't see like a label it didn't

740
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,120
say underwood on on the screen or

741
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,799
anything like that nor was i really

742
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:52,159
paying attention to that part of the

743
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,360
screen i was

744
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,279
pretty much eyes locked on the object

745
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,279
that was you know the focus of this

746
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,720
video so

747
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,799
uh any any of the data that was running

748
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,799
along the edges of the screen which was

749
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,840
a lot of data i wouldn't have

750
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,960
i wouldn't have i wouldn't have

751
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,520
remembered exactly what it said so the

752
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,320
only thing i remember is just

753
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,399
how numb my brain went seeing this

754
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,750
next question again i'll put out to

755
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,360
whoever it's more relevant to answer but

756
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,120
you can all come in of course did the

757
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,440
craft seen underwater also head to

758
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,000
catalina islands and did any of you see

759
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:30,159
the tic tacs enter the water when they

760
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,350
i i didn't in fact when this happened it

761
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,799
wasn't my

762
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,799
situational awareness whatsoever

763
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,799
anything went into the water i saw this

764
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,120
thing dropped from 28 000 feet on radar

765
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,159
down to 50 feet and just hover there

766
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,799
now others have testimony saying these

767
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:52,320
objects went into the water and i you

768
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:53,360
know what

769
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,200
that's their testimony and uh i

770
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,360
um at some point maybe some evidence

771
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,120
will come out the same as it's coming

772
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,799
out now with the different radar systems

773
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,440
and uh other witnesses coming forward

774
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,799
maybe that same thing will happen with

775
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,039
the subsurface contact too

776
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:14,470
with this question so go for it all

777
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,679
right so so i know that the pilots

778
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,080
reported seeing a very large object

779
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:21,840
under water and that the tic tacs were

780
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:24,799
interacting with that object

781
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,480
um so we do have one confirmed report of

782
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,880
at least one object being underwater uh

783
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,279
direction bearing i have no idea which

784
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,360
way it would went which way it went i

785
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,200
know that it wasn't there at a certain

786
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,120
point um

787
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,399
and then

788
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,799
the uh like in the in the unidentified

789
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,960
episode where they had my interview they

790
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:46,240
you know they

791
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,720
a track that was over 500 knots under

792
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,440
the water but what they cut off that uh

793
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:56,000
and and so nicely edited was the fact

794
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,880
that i

795
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,080
literally said

796
00:30:01,269 --> 00:30:00,320
prior to that and after the comment that

797
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:01,279
uh

798
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,720
another another sailor which i have yet

799
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,960
to be able to get a hold of and verify

800
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,720
this for a hundred percent

801
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,200
um i'd feel i've had one of the other

802
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,840
sonar technicians that i do know and

803
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,799
trust

804
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,320
uh kind of tell me something

805
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,080
contradictory that

806
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,679
um if

807
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,440
there were tracks it wasn't from the

808
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,360
princeton i know that for a fact the

809
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,520
princeton didn't track it underwater in

810
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,919
any way shape or form that if there were

811
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,760
underwater tracks they had would have

812
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,360
had to come from either the sub the

813
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,360
carrier or some other

814
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,000
uh ship that was in the area

815
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,640
we did not have our sonar buoys out we

816
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:42,320
didn't have our tail in the water which

817
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,000
which means that it's a a long sonar

818
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,480
buoy tail that we drag so that we can

819
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,799
triangulate and track

820
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:52,880
objects through the water and that's the

821
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,679
only way we would have been able to uh

822
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,440
have have known what the speed of

823
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,440
something was with sonar

824
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,600
so because we didn't have that tail in

825
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,880
the water

826
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,720
we could the princeton would never have

827
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,720
been able to tell you whether it was 500

828
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,559
knots into the water so if that

829
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,799
information was accurate that i received

830
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,840
from

831
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,480
a uh right now i'm not gonna

832
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,440
i'm not gonna name the source but

833
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,519
it was uh it would have had to have come

834
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,799
from one of the other ships in the

835
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,200
battle group

836
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,519
awesome but it's it's still unconfirmed

837
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,039
so i mean that's

838
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,799
take it for what you will um i

839
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:30,640
personally believe it

840
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,679
but i don't i i have zero proof

841
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,640
i i'll be dead honest with that until i

842
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,320
can get the particular person that told

843
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,559
me about it to come out about it it is

844
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,440
uh i have zero proof so

845
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,880
take it with a grain of salt until we

846
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,399
have better proof

847
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,159
no i appreciate that listen to the next

848
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,000
question is one of the longer ones it

849
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,559
was sent over by jazz shaw and who many

850
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,279
will know from from ufo twitter um i'll

851
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,200
read through it and you might want to

852
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:59,200
take some notes

853
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,720
so some of us have recently been

854
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,559
reviewing the original nimitz encounter

855
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,120
interviews with a specific focus on

856
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,440
gaining some perspective on two and on

857
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:09,039
the two individuals who showed up to

858
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,640
collect the data bricks after the

859
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,399
encounter pg i know that's something

860
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,960
you've talked on um i asked this

861
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,799
question as a former radar tech who

862
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,799
served on two carriers out of san diego

863
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,600
back in the day um was always in cic so

864
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,840
i don't shy away from the geek talk and

865
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,679
for those i've been speaking to the guys

866
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,519
about on the show and the listeners this

867
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:29,120
is some of the language that i was like

868
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,399
what so i'm hoping the guys will

869
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,480
understand this and i'm sure they will

870
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,080
and some of those interviews gary

871
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:36,159
verrhas described them as two guys in

872
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:37,200
suits

873
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,960
whatever uniform or clothes they had on

874
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,039
underneath the interviewer seemed to

875
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,720
later interpret this as meaning they

876
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,480
might be civilians but that wasn't clear

877
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,080
from the original answer

878
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,600
jason turner has said he doesn't

879
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,440
remember seeing the helicopters land and

880
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,799
didn't see them

881
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,320
and i'm going to butcher the surname

882
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,120
here potentially but is it ryan veget

883
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,039
originally described them as a couple of

884
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,360
air force guys and plain flight suits

885
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,200
they are saying they are plain green

886
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,519
flight suits with no names or insignia

887
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,960
doesn't say how he knew they were air

888
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,960
force but later says absolutely air

889
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,279
force based on a glimpse of the uniforms

890
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,840
he could see under the jumpsuits with no

891
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,919
infect with no offense at it intended

892
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,320
i've worn those jumpsuits for hilo trips

893
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,480
between ships and from ship to shore

894
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,159
they don't show a lot of your uniform

895
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,919
that's an awfully tiny detail to

896
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,480
remember 15 years later when you say

897
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,840
that you originally didn't find the

898
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,840
encounter all that interesting until

899
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,240
other people came forward

900
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,480
wondering what level of certainty we

901
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,240
have that they were definitely our force

902
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,480
and not navy or possibly even civilian

903
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,640
government that came on board it doesn't

904
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,279
take that long to fly out from

905
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,240
coronado out to that operating area and

906
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,679
i would like to ask

907
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,919
what the guys think potentially about

908
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,919
this situation and by the way i served

909
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,519
on the corny and ranger out of north

910
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,519
point and was a tad to the kitty hawk a

911
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,600
couple of times say hi to my fellow

912
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,279
squids for me

913
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,120
that was a bit of a longer question but

914
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,640
pj you might want to comment on that one

915
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,840
i think

916
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,760
yeah i know gary's got his own part

917
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,679
because um

918
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:09,280
our experiences are the same but

919
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,240
different

920
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,520
you know

921
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,800
i understand what the gentleman is

922
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,839
saying

923
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,879
you know when they get off the

924
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,720
helicopter they have rubber duckies on

925
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:18,399
they have a helmet on they have goggles

926
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,240
on it covers up all that stuff

927
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,720
rubber ducky being a uh life jacket a

928
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,879
life preserver um

929
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,440
by the time they made it to me

930
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:32,000
they didn't have any of that stuff off

931
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,119
or on

932
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,200
they just had

933
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,119
their flight suits

934
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,520
a navy flight suit is green and air

935
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:41,919
force flight suit is green but the

936
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,040
insignia the patches the color of the

937
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,240
ranks all of that is different and we

938
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,560
get taught that in boot camp you know

939
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,200
that's how ingrained it is in you

940
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,520
to recognize the other services

941
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,879
insignia

942
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,960
they definitely had

943
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,680
at least on my that my end on the nimitz

944
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,520
air force flight suits

945
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,359
they were lower ranking i don't remember

946
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,119
the link

947
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,040
but they were air force flight suits

948
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,960
they had air force patches

949
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,720
air force insignia

950
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,400
all of that

951
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,680
and being a navy ship

952
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,200
you don't exactly have air force

953
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,200
officers on there all the time

954
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,280
they stand out you know that's something

955
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:25,680
that you remember that they were there

956
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,720
and where my shop was on the nimitz

957
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,560
it's a hike to get there you got to go

958
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:32,400
up some and down some and around some

959
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,359
corners

960
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,280
it's not a straight shot just to get to

961
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,680
us so if they're making it all the way

962
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:39,440
over to where i am

963
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,630
gary well our guys came over to our ship

964
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,160
you know i would it could be anything

965
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,560
from uh you know i keep getting

966
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,079
interviews where they talk about the men

967
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,320
in black came to my ship and i say i

968
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,920
always correct them and say oh you mean

969
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,680
the men in khaki

970
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,960
because they uh you know we're talking

971
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,440
polo shirts khakis uh we'll talk we'll

972
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:02,960
say semi

973
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,839
send me business formal uh or not formal

974
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,440
just business casual

975
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,680
type of attire uh

976
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:12,079
i unlike pj i actually had to sign the

977
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,599
chain of custody which is actually the

978
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,440
only thing i signed about this entire

979
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,560
event

980
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,000
and that's actually why i got a little

981
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,079
confused when i first i had to make sure

982
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,760
that that wasn't a uh

983
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,040
a uh

984
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,720
non-disclosure agreement i signed

985
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,680
because i

986
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,680
up to that point i literally never

987
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,680
signed a chain of custody in my entire

988
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,680
life because we've never given anything

989
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,960
out other than

990
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,200
tapes to tech reps uh

991
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,040
and things of that nature which didn't

992
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,079
require a chain of custody uh but uh we

993
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,160
did sign i did sign a chain of custody

994
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,720
for our our data recording tapes so

995
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,160
there is at least a paper trail

996
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,079
somewhere just not one that we can

997
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,390
awesome thank you guys just a couple

998
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,079
more questions and then we can wrap up i

999
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,800
appreciate the time um kevin this next

1000
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,280
one is for you dead or not did an

1001
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:01,040
officer give you instruction to

1002
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,550
no as a matter of fact um

1003
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,240
after this happened i went up to combat

1004
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,720
information center crc

1005
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,560
and i was gonna um i didn't know how the

1006
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,000
captain was gonna react but i was gonna

1007
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,079
draft an after-action message because i

1008
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:20,000
was a primary operational message writer

1009
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,520
for the ship and then you know i'd write

1010
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,720
the message and then i would route it

1011
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,079
through the chain of man and the captain

1012
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,400
would end up releasing it i

1013
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,480
because of the way he was acting i

1014
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,160
pulled him off to say hey captain smith

1015
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:34,390
what's going on here what are these

1016
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,440
objects

1017
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,200
and he looked at me with a very

1018
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,800
perplexed look and said mate i don't

1019
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,480
know maybe ice

1020
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,480
spontaneous farming ice from space he

1021
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,000
said

1022
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:46,000
and i have to admit laughing out loud

1023
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,359
and i'm glad he didn't get mad at me for

1024
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,520
it but i actually laughed at him

1025
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,400
okay

1026
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,240
so the next day i went i went up to

1027
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,400
combat i was gonna draft a message after

1028
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,920
action report and

1029
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,200
i didn't i didn't know if he was gonna

1030
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,440
release it or not but i was gonna try

1031
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,240
and i went over to the um to get my data

1032
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,640
and stuff i went over to the rd 390

1033
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:06,320
which recorded all of our external

1034
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,109
and lo and behold all of my voice

1035
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,960
columns were gone

1036
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,560
every time we key the mic every time we

1037
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:18,240
keep the mic on the externally gets

1038
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,280
recorded

1039
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,119
the the date time it gives us the date

1040
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:23,200
time stamp and then the follow-on voice

1041
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,160
comes

1042
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,160
well strangely enough all this all this

1043
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,839
all the date time stamps are on the disk

1044
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,079
still but all the columns were gone

1045
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,000
you and i looked at the technique i

1046
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,359
looked at the technician and i could

1047
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,000
tell that he knew what had happened

1048
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,599
and i'm not going to mention his name

1049
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,359
because he hasn't come out yet

1050
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,400
but he i i just gathered instinctively

1051
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,079
that he knew but he couldn't tell me and

1052
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,079
i respect that and i gave up the idea of

1053
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,640
writing a message at that point

1054
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,240
because i i you know i had figured out

1055
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,839
that something very strange something

1056
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,400
very strange had happened and

1057
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,200
it was

1058
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,040
way beyond my pay grade to figure it out

1059
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,800
so i just left it alone because what

1060
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,800
kevin didn't know is while he was doing

1061
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,079
all that with the captain and trying to

1062
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,480
figure out how to report this uh we i

1063
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:06,240
was turning over data tapes and being

1064
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,390
yeah i figured all that out later yeah

1065
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:14,240
and you know and ironically i didn't

1066
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,200
know

1067
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,960
that he was the one that accessed the

1068
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,680
data afterwards until ours until we told

1069
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,079
our story separately later on and i was

1070
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,920
saying it's like we were literally in

1071
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,520
the same room the first time i heard it

1072
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,000
we were on stage over in loughlin and

1073
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:30,640
i'm like oh my god i am the [\h__\h] that

1074
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,069
thanks man thanks

1075
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,720
yeah so yeah it was it was truly a head

1076
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,400
scratcher and um

1077
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,720
you know i had 18 uh i had um there was

1078
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,480
only one guy on the ship had more sea

1079
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,960
time than me was the captain i had 18

1080
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,560
years of sea time

1081
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,240
on that on thai counter world class

1082
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,680
ships

1083
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,280
that that day when that happened and i

1084
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,839
had never experienced anything like this

1085
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,359
you know usually when we do exercises

1086
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,119
and operations everything's been

1087
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,520
scripted months in advance and practiced

1088
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,440
and rehearsed and re-practiced and

1089
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,000
debriefed and briefed and debriefed

1090
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,480
this thing was so far outside of the

1091
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,960
realm of anything i'd ever seen i just i

1092
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,200
didn't know what to do so i didn't do

1093
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,720
anything

1094
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,640
and kevin the next question again is for

1095
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,119
you uh was it yourself who guided chad

1096
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:21,200
underwood during the filming of the

1097
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,190
restate the question it was a little bit

1098
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,119
broken

1099
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,040
was it yourself that guided chad

1100
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,040
underwood during the filming of the

1101
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:34,960
flyer video or was it a colleague of

1102
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,630
that that fleer video that we see on the

1103
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,319
internet is um

1104
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,240
from chad underwood's flight is that

1105
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,680
what you're asking

1106
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,359
you know it doesn't come from that's not

1107
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,119
quite what they're asking what the what

1108
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,640
they're asking is whether you guided

1109
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:52,880
them in exactly to where the object was

1110
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,920
to film it um he would have guided him

1111
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,319
to the area like the general area where

1112
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:00,640
it was and then chad would have done

1113
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,119
his own interrogation from that point on

1114
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,560
yeah you have to remember we got data

1115
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,160
links too so he can look he can look out

1116
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,240
his systems in the aircraft and see

1117
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,599
where he's supposed to go as well from

1118
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:13,359
the data lakes

1119
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,319
cool

1120
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,640
next question to the floor if the tic

1121
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,400
tac was sending or receiving

1122
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:20,800
electromagnetic signals

1123
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,599
could hawkeye discern directionally

1124
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,520
where the origin of the data was coming

1125
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,599
from

1126
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,910
there you go yes yes you can 100 yes and

1127
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,160
actually if it was squawking anything

1128
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,680
just about

1129
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,440
if it was depending on what frequency it

1130
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,040
was a lot of the ships could have seen

1131
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:43,920
it in hawkeye specifically because well

1132
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,480
that's literally what it's there for

1133
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,520
so and andy just so you know when uh

1134
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,319
during operations on the on the ship

1135
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,960
um like the radar operator say new track

1136
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,800
four four two five and then

1137
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,800
everybody in a position on the air side

1138
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,560
is gonna chime in with their own piece

1139
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,240
of information and one of those guys is

1140
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,200
the electronic warfare supervisor

1141
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,200
and he is specifically looking for that

1142
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,960
he's looking for signals coming from

1143
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,240
that contact

1144
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,880
because um with his information i'm able

1145
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,560
to tell hey this is a calm air because

1146
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,560
it's got calm air radar

1147
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,520
or hey this is a soviet mig 25 because

1148
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,440
it's got that type of signature

1149
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,240
so i i use all of these little pieces of

1150
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,079
information to make the identification

1151
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:28,640
that's where the problem is in this case

1152
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,030
yeah there was no there was no

1153
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,599
electronic emissions from these things

1154
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,599
because i mean everybody

1155
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,359
everybody wants to look at this stuff

1156
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,440
and say okay well there could have been

1157
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,160
uh you know a person that made a mistake

1158
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,839
well it doesn't matter if a person made

1159
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,000
a mistake the entire battle group didn't

1160
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,240
make a mistake and there's so much

1161
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,240
information that we're using to try to

1162
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,920
try to figure out exactly what these

1163
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:55,599
objects are is that

1164
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,680
it's it's honestly it just uh

1165
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,599
it feels like anybody that's really

1166
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,160
trying to debunk it based off of that

1167
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,000
fact about us

1168
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,480
not being trained enough for somebody

1169
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,079
making a mistake

1170
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,920
it feels like they're just trying to

1171
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,400
make a sensational accusation

1172
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,359
um

1173
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,119
because if you if you knew the way that

1174
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,119
this stuff works and that's what we're

1175
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,280
trying to relate to people is that

1176
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,960
there's no way we made a mistake that

1177
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,200
this was an unknown object there was no

1178
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,640
way we made a mistake that it was a

1179
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,319
solid object

1180
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,920
there's no way that we made a mistake

1181
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,440
about how fast it went or the

1182
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,000
capabilities of it

1183
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,160
that's why we're here that's why we're

1184
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,400
talking to you right now

1185
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,800
if we didn't believe it and

1186
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,720
we wouldn't be here and if it wasn't

1187
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,160
real then the government definitely

1188
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,680
wouldn't have said it you said anything

1189
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,440
at all they would just be like yeah yeah

1190
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,720
sure believe what you want to believe

1191
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:50,400
just like they have for the last 60

1192
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,440
years

1193
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,960
but instead they had they had their hand

1194
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,280
pulled this time you know there was it's

1195
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,359
really hard to deny that you know the

1196
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,599
the video evidence that we we put

1197
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,319
forward and then from there you know we

1198
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,400
can testify the rest

1199
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,800
you know that's you know we've got video

1200
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,280
we've got radar we've got you know audio

1201
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,520
we've got the pilots themselves

1202
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,440
i don't know how much more people want

1203
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,640
uh

1204
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,480
at this point

1205
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,079
either get on board or get the hell out

1206
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,040
you have to get hell out of the way

1207
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,359
yeah that's fair

1208
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,880
yeah send us some money to go figure it

1209
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,030
give us enough money i'll take you with

1210
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,480
us

1211
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,920
yeah we will

1212
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,280
help fund us and we'll go out there and

1213
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,280
we'll figure this [\h__\h] out

1214
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,960
is that simple

1215
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,599
if you just advertise a ce5 experience

1216
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,960
for two and a half thousand dollars

1217
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,640
you'll get a few people jumping on board

1218
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,040
i'm sure as well so

1219
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,520
i can i can vlog them or you know

1220
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,880
waterboard them or something and they

1221
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,119
can hallucinate it if they want i think

1222
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,480
there's a place i think there's places

1223
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,319
you can go for that kind of stuff anyway

1224
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,760
um so two more questions uh do you guys

1225
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,160
know of others and i'm sure you will and

1226
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,839
can you give an estimate of what sort of

1227
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,599
numbers of people have had similar

1228
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,079
experiences to yourselves that just

1229
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,640
haven't came public yet and any details

1230
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,040
at all you can share

1231
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,040
well to give you an idea since i went

1232
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,760
public with this i've probably had just

1233
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,960
personally

1234
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,680
over at least a hundred different people

1235
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,599
of credible nature whether they're

1236
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,319
pilots prior military with with top

1237
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,000
secret clearances

1238
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,560
um mostly i'll be honest with you mostly

1239
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:31,680
pilots

1240
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:37,359
i've gotten over a hundred emails

1241
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,560
depicting

1242
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,079
a various

1243
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,720
from back in the you know

1244
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:43,760
back in

1245
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:47,119
the 50s and 60s i've got some guys that

1246
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,480
won't come public about it but

1247
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,839
definitely wanted me to know the story

1248
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,680
and that i'm not alone you know in that

1249
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:53,520
kind of situation

1250
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,319
um

1251
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,920
and i know that the other guys have all

1252
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,800
received emails from people uh you know

1253
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,400
and of course i take i take everything

1254
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,000
with a grain of salt like i look into

1255
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,599
things and i'm but i'm appreciative of

1256
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,400
any of the stories that anybody wants to

1257
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,560
uh share with us but

1258
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,880
i think without a shadow of a doubt

1259
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:12,640
there's not a day that doesn't go by

1260
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,640
that a new witness is not created

1261
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,440
so i'm thinking every single day and a

1262
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,440
pilot sees something

1263
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,920
a credible witness sees something that

1264
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,599
they can't explain running through the

1265
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:28,000
skies i think it's that common and i

1266
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:29,280
think that's why it permeates our

1267
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,270
well said gary and i agree with all that

1268
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:39,040
awesome

1269
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,560
next question

1270
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,200
i had a few people ask this one i know

1271
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,480
it's something that we talked about just

1272
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,319
before the show as well have you got any

1273
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,119
comments on deep prasad and his time

1274
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,680
with you apx

1275
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:54,240
well good kid you should get off of uh

1276
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,109
we don't have any other real anything

1277
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,319
other really to say about him

1278
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,319
that's uh

1279
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:07,920
there's not much to say about him you

1280
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,119
know he was with us for a while um

1281
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,119
we hadn't really done anything yet

1282
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,000
before before we separated uh

1283
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,160
he didn't particularly like how we

1284
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,559
monitored his social media so he left

1285
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,240
the company and that's that's our

1286
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:25,280
official statement as uapx

1287
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,720
no yeah the whole the whole reason why

1288
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,319
all this started it actually goes back

1289
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,640
to him in an article that tim mcmillan

1290
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,680
wrote

1291
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,040
they called they called the group was it

1292
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,119
the silicon valley ufo hunters right

1293
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:38,000
gary yeah and that's when that's when i

1294
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,599
that's what i was the first one to reach

1295
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,440
out to be said hey deep this is me and

1296
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,520
uh i'm the guy that you need to talk to

1297
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,200
and that's how we we kind of

1298
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,040
he kind of uh

1299
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,040
came to join us

1300
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,880
um and

1301
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,960
it's simple like i said that's all

1302
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,119
that's all we're going to talk about him

1303
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,960
we had our official statement and that's

1304
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,079
it

1305
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:00,000
yeah i know that's exactly right and

1306
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,200
thank you for making the statement as

1307
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,960
well i appreciate you answering that

1308
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,800
last question and i'm looking for an

1309
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,480
answer here from all of you

1310
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,520
with the uap task force now being formed

1311
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,920
and underway are we going to find out

1312
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,839
within the next

1313
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,400
given estimate here two to three years

1314
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,720
that these unidentified craft have an

1315
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:21,680
origin that was not of this earth if i

1316
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,910
i know i miss a dog

1317
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:30,000
basically they uh they want to know if

1318
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,839
uh hopefully here soon we'll

1319
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:34,160
uh we'll

1320
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,950
i know kevin wishes hopes they are i i

1321
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:43,680
just uh i'm scared no matter which way

1322
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,000
it goes i'll be dead honest

1323
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,760
all of this [\h__\h] is it scares the hell

1324
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,280
out of me because i don't see a good

1325
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,839
direction that this is going into and if

1326
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,440
i'm completely wrong and it actually

1327
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,440
goes in the direction where they're just

1328
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,960
these people that have lived here and

1329
00:49:07,829 --> 00:48:59,520
they're just helping us i will

1330
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,430
um

1331
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,480
i don't know if they're gonna get

1332
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,240
anywhere anytime soon

1333
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,280
um they've got a lot of

1334
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,319
they had a lot of work to do

1335
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,079
just to just to catch up to where

1336
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,870
and kevin

1337
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,910
um

1338
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,880
man

1339
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,359
this this universe of ours is so

1340
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,119
freaking huge

1341
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,760
uh the the odds that we are the only

1342
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,520
living you know when i say we i'm

1343
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:39,040
included in every

1344
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,640
even like mosquitoes and stuff you know

1345
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,760
like every

1346
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:43,760
living organism on our planet the

1347
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:46,280
chances that we are the only living

1348
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:49,839
organism in the entire universe

1349
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,720
it has to be zeal it has to be zero in

1350
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,880
fact the opposite has to be true

1351
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,040
now that's not to say that there

1352
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,520
even care about us or they're the ones

1353
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,160
visiting us or that's what we saw

1354
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,760
but i don't i honestly don't believe

1355
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,599
that we're alone this universe

1356
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,400
in my mind is scientifically impossible

1357
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,599
it just is

1358
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,280
there's no freaking way that's that's

1359
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,960
going to prove true

1360
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,119
no i agree kevin and you say this

1361
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,280
universe and that discounts the other

1362
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,720
universities that may be out there as

1363
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,559
well and i'll i'll leave that one just

1364
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,119
there um but listen gents it's been a

1365
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,280
absolute pleasure speaking with you all

1366
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,800
i thank you very much for your time

1367
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,079
thank you to all the listeners for

1368
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,400
sending your questions as well it's a

1369
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,480
brand new format i've been trying and

1370
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,400
hopefully i'll get a better embedded

1371
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,839
each time but i think i'll struggle to

1372
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,480
get three guests of the the same caliber

1373
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,480
and again pj special thanks to filling

1374
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,160
in so late as well for for sean who

1375
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,430
hey andy let's do this again and

1376
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,040
andy let's do

1377
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,960
bring in other people on the team like

1378
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,319
kevin knuth

1379
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,559
a professor from the um university out

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in new york uh bruce mcbee

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uh

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in other words we i want to get the

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scientists um and the physicist uh

1384
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during the next meeting good one would

1385
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have is that you know in addition

1386
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kevin can you thumb here

1387
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that's uh

1388
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yeah he'd be he'd be a real good

1389
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interview the guy's got a wonderful mind

1390
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oh my god he's brilliant there ain't no

1391
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doubt about it yep any of that

1392
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absolutely

1393
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and unless and a lot of people want to

1394
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hear from you as well and that's um

1395
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uapx getting started up and and really

1396
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getting going too so we look forward to

1397
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all of that so gents just again thank

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you very much for me

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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1411
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up you never know what you might see

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is

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[Music]

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jump back nearly

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there was something on my head and

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everything was weird and everything was

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ready they thought this was nice they

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[Music]

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is for being serious

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[Music]

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can't sleep

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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[Music]

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thanks

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[Music]

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thank you

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so